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What being a Vegetarian Means to Me...  
05:34am 06/02/2010
 
 
deliriumfae
Just my own personal beliefs and reflections.

What being a Vegetarian Means to Me..

It means I am healthier... A lot of major illnesses in Western society are the direct cause of eating animal products in extremely large quantities pumped full of growth hormones, antibiotics and other things most people don't want to know about. I orginally went vegetarian because, I had gotten really sick eating animal products. Vegetarians are at a much lower risk now for many things including heart disease, stroke, cancer, high bad colesterol and full blown diabetes. Also the idea that Vegetarians can't get enough protein, iron etc is a myth. Western society eats way too much protein that it actually causes health problems. (Now if I could only quit smoking too).

It means that I made a moral decision... I do not believe that eating animal products in our society is moral. Most meat comes from factory farms where the animals are harmed or tortured before being finally killed. Certain meats like veal (baby chained up beaten cow) and lamb (baby sheep) are unconciounable in all cultures. Eating meat can only be moral in small amounts in primarily indigenous socities who live close to the land, have a relationship with the animals, let them live free, and as the Kluane people of the Yukon recognize animals as 'other then human persons.'

It means that I am an environmentalist... The meat industry is one of the largest producers (and some have argued the largest) producer of climate change. Between the destruction of forests for cattle grazing, the use of oil in factories and transportation, the shear amount of food it takes to feed animals, the polluting of the hydrosphere, the methane that the animals produce and the amount of land it takes to feed one person using meat in comparison to feeding them using plants the meat industry is by far one of the most destructive on this planet.

It means that I am privileged... To be able to live in a society where options for vegetarian foods are plentiful and being able to buy those foods is a privilege of location and class. Rarely (except in certain cases like parts of India) has before modern times have people been able to survive as vegetarians and in many parts of the world today due to poverty and inaccess to certain foods considered common here people would not be able to survive as vegetarian.

It means that I am attacked and deraded for my beliefs and choices... Despite many omnivores claiming that they cannot stand pushy vegetarians who espouse their beliefs, many more attacks come the other way. I am regulairly verbally attacked and deraded for being a vegetarian. I have regulairly been put in situations where people have to prove to me how much they love meat when I have never commented on their choices. I have had many people who consider themselves my friends make offensive jokes about vegetarians in my presence. Yet, I believe peoples prejudice is their own to conquer and that many of these issues stem from omnivores (and yes you are omnivores not carnivores or 'meatatarians', though human beings can survive as purely herbavores they cannot survive as carnivores), not being comfortable enough in their own choices when someone who has made a different choice is nearby.

It means that I love animals... I have a deep respect for all other animals on this earth on a intrinsic level. Though I will kill something such as bugs if they are a danger to my health or life, I try to avoid doing so. If I were ever to kill an animal for food it would be done with respect for that animal and reverance for the life it gave for me to live.

Written after one too many verbal attacks about me being vegetarian
mood: accomplishedaccomplished
 
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 reyl
 
05:50pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
Reyl: tea
Sorry about my bunny joke the other day. It was a comment on bunnies, not on vegetarians, but I realized it was tasteless at a table with vegetarians.
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 deliriumfae
 
06:29pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
deliriumfae
Poor taste perhaps, though I just felt bad for the poor cute bunny. In reality however, thats not the type of thing I was talking about for this. There was a context to your statement which was that you weren't going to get a bunny as a pet because you personally saw them as food.
 
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 queenie_writes
 
07:00pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
Queenie Thayer (Tirone)
While I agree with you hon on many factors, I know for a fact that Vegetarians being healthier isn't fair either. I became UNHEALTHY from being one for over a year, because my body NEEDS the proteins and enzymes meat has. Because of the condition I have, meat is the best way to get what I need without making my life and pain worse.

I think people need to choose for themselves what works best for them and keep their biases out of it. Sorry, but while you have some great facts here, not all these facts work for every person. (like your statement that vegetarians are healthier.)
 
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 deliriumfae
 
07:02pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
deliriumfae
What works for each individual person is different. However, that vegetarians are on average healthier on the specific issues cited is factually accurate.
 
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 queenie_writes
 
07:11pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
Queenie Thayer (Tirone)
I suppose. I dont fully trust statistics as most are rigged anyhow to benefit the side that wants to win.

And considering I have less problems when I follow my diet properly (Like how about we get rid of all the white starches! Now that would make me happier. Do that, and make farming meat practices better and I will be much happier with food.) I am not in pain, I am healthier, and I can exercise.

Oh and just because someone may have meat on their bones, doesn't make them sick or fat. Not saying you are saying that, it's a personal pet peeve of mine when we talk about food. That somehow someone is unhealthy because they have meat on their bones. So take the stats with a grain of salt, like everything else. They probably don't even consider people who are healthy and meaty.
 
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 deliriumfae
 
07:15pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
deliriumfae
Actually I try to read reports from government health agencies who in the past have been very negative about vegetarians, but the results were based upon scientific studies with strong internal validity. And actually considering most of the studies are not based upon issues such as weight, but instead risk of heart disease or cancer or diabetes or stroke they do include people of varying body types.
 
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 queenie_writes
 
07:18pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
Queenie Thayer (Tirone)
Well, don't take this the wrong way, but I still don't fully trust statics, especially from government agencies. they are good for a guide post sure, but to take them as gospel is silly to me.

Because these people are the same people who can't make up their mind about facts. One moment they will say something along the lines of "Cheese is bad for you. You'll get cancer from eating it." then the next they say "Eat more cheese it prevents cancer."

But I know you do research. That's a good thing.
 
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 deliriumfae
 
07:21pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
deliriumfae
I agree it is important to take statistics with a grain of salt especially if you haven't read the methodology and seen what type of external validity the studies actually have. Yet, I believe that research is still quite important.
 
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 queenie_writes
 
07:05pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
Queenie Thayer (Tirone)
Oh and I know what it's like to be attacked for my choices. So I'm not trying to attack, but just as you are tired of defending your vegetarianism, I am tired of defending my meat eating ways.

I try to eat the best meat I can afford, free ranged, etc. Because I don't like the processes animals go through. If I could I'd live in a forest and hunt my food. I'd get someone to teach me to hunt and clean my food. I'm not squeamish.

But I am realistic too. I live in a city. So I can only do so much. My doctor strongly advised me to eat meat, so I got enough of the things I need to keep my system stable. I respect your choice to be Vegetarian. Just be careful to not assume that your way is the best way ok?
 
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 deliriumfae
 
07:09pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
deliriumfae
Thus why it was titled "what being a vegetarian means to me". You don't need to justify your choices every time it comes up that I'm a vegetarian which I feel that often you do. Be comfortable in your own choices instead of trying to justify them to me.
 
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 queenie_writes
 
07:14pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
Queenie Thayer (Tirone)
Ok, for one thing, people read this. When you put something in a public forum (even under a friend lock) you want opinions. I'm debating with you. I find it's good for me to do so, to talk about my beliefs with friends. Especially if I am reading about yours. Right now you are justifying your vegetarianism. So why can't I justify my meat eating?
 
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 deliriumfae
 
07:16pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
deliriumfae
Actually no, I posted a piece on my personal experiences. All this is about what it means to me, if you want to write a post about your experiences I would not critique them as that is what is right for you.
 
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 queenie_writes
 
07:19pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
Queenie Thayer (Tirone)
Ok, obviously we don't see eye to eye on things. Because if I wrote a piece like this I WANT your opinions on things. Because I value your opinions. Even if we don't see eye to eye.

I'll remember that for the future. My opinions are not wanted.

Edited at 2010-02-06 07:20 pm (UTC)
 
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 deliriumfae
 
07:27pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
deliriumfae
This is not an argument/debate piece, this is a personal reflection piece for those who want a better understanding of me and for me to blow off some steam instead of attacking omnivores like many attack me.

"I'll remember that for the future. My opinions are not wanted."

If thats the way you want to see things thats your choice.
 
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 queenie_writes
 
07:36pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
Queenie Thayer (Tirone)
I was TRYING to bond with you! This is how I bond Jade. I try to talk about my experiences and share them with you so we can have a talk about them! I'm not attacking you! I'm merely stating my life story in reflection to your life story and trying to have a discourse. Isn't that why you post these things? So people will reply? Don't you get tired of people not saying stuff when you post something thoughtful like this? I sure do! I WANT people to talk about it and share their opinions. So I can learn and grow from their words.

I see it that way because of how you are treating me. I was being very respectful to you. I wasn't yelling out obscenities directed at your vegetarianism. I find it insulting you dont want my opinions. I'm not telling you who to be, just telling you how I see things. Just like this post is all about how YOU see things.

Edited at 2010-02-06 07:38 pm (UTC)
 
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 deliriumfae
 
07:40pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
deliriumfae
If I specifically meant that I thought you were directly attacking me I would have said something to that effect. Do not assume that when I write something in the general that it indicates you in the specifity.
 
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 queenie_writes
 
07:43pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
Queenie Thayer (Tirone)
You're now assuming I thought YOU were attacking me! No where did I say I thought you were! I said I didnt like how you worded some things. I said my opinions on the matter, my life experience. That's it! I debated with you because I have a different viewpoint than you. sorry I didnt agree with you.

I cant talk about this anymore. I'm very insulted and angry and I dont want to say something I will regret. I'm done here.
 
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 ironhammer
 
10:05pm 06/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
Knight of the Sharded Mirror
A mostly outside ear here. Looks like the core of this argument, it has gone past debate, is due to the limiting medium of text. I think inflections are being heard that are not necessarily there. I also agree that a break here to stop and think about things is a good idea.

vive la difference.
 
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 dark_figure
 
10:09am 07/02/2010 (UTC)
 
 
E||iott
I agree. Sometimes, if the bond of discussion becomes too hot and uncomfortable, its good to break that bond and perhaps attempt to re-connect on a different starting ground.

The bottom line is to accept and love who you are, first, and to compassionately understand and honour our differences as well.
 
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